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Poster: kochman Date: Oct 22, 2008 8:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: if it looks like a snob and sounds like a snob

How can you deny that the "Your Mind Has Left Your Body" is the inspiration for Mind Left Body Jam?!
Listen to the solo before the last verse... clearly the origin. I say that as an airplane fan.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Oct 23, 2008 7:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: if it looks like a snob and sounds like a snob

it's not clear to me and I've heard Baron Von Tollbooth many times. Have you listened to the Perro sessions? There's an uptempo jam on there that's much closer.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Oct 23, 2008 9:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: here you go, need more proof

Notice Dick says " WE"?

GG: so, I get the first question! Why is Mud Love Buddy Jam mislabeled on DP12?



DL: there are several reasons...reason #1 we do not like the terminology of mind left body indicator of this jam

GG: yes, but this is NOT that jam! The MLB Jam is on disc 3

DL: # 2 this has been explained before by Phil and John Cutler; they both were in an amusing mood one day, John suddenly said MUD LOVE BUDDY, and Phil cracked up, and we all thought Why not? And lets go to # 3 reason, …in fact well now I lost it… just a minute…the whole nature of the Grateful Dead band who made playing flawed an artform!

GG: yes, but WHY is the jam between China Cat and Rider labeled MLB Jam?

DL: It's a mistake

GG: okay

DL: i am befuddled myself

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Poster: kochman Date: Oct 23, 2008 10:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: to clarify

I am not trying to say the GD's version, this jam, is exactly the "your mind left your body" without music. I am saying, the similarity is there.
I am not disputing that it truly originated from the PERRO session, perhaps this influenced the creation Your Mind Has Left Your Body song... Jerry held a lot of sway with them after all...
My only point is, there are obvious similarities, not exact replications of notes, etc.

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Poster: TheManInTheGrassyKnoll Date: Oct 23, 2008 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: to clarify

I always thought it was Major League Baseball Jam. :)

This post was modified by TheManInTheGrassyKnoll on 2008-10-23 17:32:03

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Oct 23, 2008 10:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: to clarify

and my only point is I don't really hear enough similarity to make that comparison.

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Poster: kochman Date: Oct 23, 2008 8:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: if it looks like a snob and sounds like a snob

To sort this out once and for all... We disagree, but neither of us can prove it (though I would say most agree with me, that doesn't prove a thing)...
Who named the MLB Jam the MLB Jam anyhow? Let's ask that person where they got the name from?

It is reasonable assume it was someone close to the Dead, who would have been able to ask them where they got the tune from, and that the name is therefore accurate... I doubt it was just some random, catchy yet unrelated naming; you seem to support this idea since you say the song is completely unrelated to the song "your mind has left your body"... what is the motivation for naming it that if there is noooooooo relation/similarity to the tune? To throw everyone off scent? And the motivation for that?

Still... this proves nothing. Go right to the source and ask the horse.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Oct 23, 2008 9:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: if it looks like a snob and sounds like a snob

" t is reasonable assume it was someone close to the Dead, who would have been able to ask them where they got the tune from, and that the name is therefore accurate... I doubt it was just some random, catchy yet unrelated naming; you seem to support this idea since you say the song is completely unrelated to the song"

Well then you are obviously not reasonable. The jam wasn't named by the band. I don't know exactly who it was but I think it's Dead base/taper related and it caught on because after all it is a distinct not one of a kind jam so might as well have a name. So obviously someone named it who heard what you hear. Why so bitter? I just don't think it sounds like that song, certainly not as " clearly" as you think it does. So what? I suppose a musician who reads music could make a less subjective take on it based on notes and chord progressions and key.

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Poster: kochman Date: Oct 23, 2008 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: if it looks like a snob and sounds like a snob

Nothing bitter in what I said, just coming to a reasonable conclusion. Whether you like it or not, it is reasonable to hear the similarity, technical or not, it sounds very similar, hence the name has stuck.
It caught on precisely because it is a reasonable connection to make. Whether it is the actual factual representation, irrelevant; it is reasonable. If you prefer to name them something else in your collection, you are perfectly welcome to do so. May you have the backing of Dick behind you :-P